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Post by SGCaper on Mar 4, 2008 19:01:00 GMT -5
So I have seen all the tat work posted but for me body modification is more. For me it is religion. Here are pics of two of the rites I have undergone. The first: the scarification of a celtic cross into the center of my back. Done with a cauterizing pen that reaches damn near 2000 degrees it took 45 minutes and was the most painful yet mind-opening experience I have ever undergone. The second: the 4 stainless steel hooks that were placed in my back in order to do a ritual suspension. This is the second most spiritual and religious experience I have ever undergone. In fact it was immortalized in a Canadian documentary two years ago. For religious reasons I requested no still photos be taken of the suspension, but the documentary does show my feet suspended off the floor.
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Post by kylandra on Mar 4, 2008 19:35:57 GMT -5
W-O-W
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Post by NFC on Mar 4, 2008 20:11:48 GMT -5
wow, that's hardcore
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Post by Viper on Mar 4, 2008 21:58:14 GMT -5
Oww... Woah. Intense shit man.
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Post by Burning-Torso (Straxus) on Mar 4, 2008 22:11:13 GMT -5
My girlfriend will love those pictures! When she gets home I will have her log on to check them out. Hope I am not prying too much by asking, was the hook suspention part of a spiritual initiation or part of a vision quest? I have heard of people using that method for vision quests.
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Post by SGCaper on Mar 4, 2008 22:13:23 GMT -5
It was actually part of an Awakening. I am the founder of the Church of Modified Enlightenment which is an offshoot of Modern Primitivism. This rite was to open me up to the Awakening of the energy within me and around me.
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Post by Narceron on Mar 17, 2008 11:29:10 GMT -5
what?
Not to sound like the resident skeptic, but can you use terms I'm familiar with? I find this whole subsect of religion very interesting, but not being familiar with the vernacular, energy within?
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Post by SGCaper on Mar 19, 2008 15:53:26 GMT -5
what? Not to sound like the resident skeptic, but can you use terms I'm familiar with? I find this whole subsect of religion very interesting, but not being familiar with the vernacular, energy within? I don't know any other way of explaining Modified Enlightenment other than: Energy can not be created nor destroyed only transformed. Upon death the energy within all organisms is released back into the biosphere to be tapped, used, and absorbed by other organisms. Thus within each of us is the energy of tens, hundred, thousands, possibly millions of other organisms. We can tap into that energy for guidance by modifying our bodies to be better receptacles. Modification is any change to your natural appearance: piercing, tattoo, hair cuts, body building, plastic surgery. Any time you alter your person you open yourself up to absorbing outside energy and tapping into your internal energy. This absorbing and tapping helps to create a balance within you. An example I often give my converts is this: if you have ever been to a place you have never been and suddenly you know your way around or know where things are that as an outsider you shouldn't it is because an energy you have within you is allowing you to feel its memories. Another example: if you have ever been outdoors, say in the mountains, and as you are walking you come across a wild animal: it was a bear in my case, and both of you simply stare into one another and you feel as though you are connecting to that creature it is because the energies within both of you recognize one another. In other words when our physical body dies our energy is dispersed into the biosphere. We may remain whole, or our energy may be absorbed by multiple organisms. this is not reincarnation, rather energy transforming into its next stage. If you would like to know more by all means ask. I am very open with sharing my beliefs so long as those with whom I share are open to trying to understand. Skeptics are welcome so long as they are as respectful of my beliefs as I am their skepticism.
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Post by Xhairs on Mar 19, 2008 16:27:02 GMT -5
wow now thats some cool shit very hard core. mad props to a man.
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Post by Narceron on Mar 19, 2008 19:44:20 GMT -5
Thats where interesting, shared creation. I had an experience that was somewhat unnerving about 6 years ago, unnerving in a way that was much more subtle. My first jump out of an airplane, I remember the smells, the greyness(we jumped in rain, foolhardy though we were), everything, but nothing seemed new, I was almost bored, but of course, the jump was incredible, well, the canopy opening and deploying was super sweet, but all of the ride up and such just seemed like "yet again" Which as a skeptic, I had a hard time explaining, that was only the 2nd time I had been on a plane, lol, at the time I use to joke about riding in planes, I've taken off twice, but only landed once, the body modification is very intriguing, you seem to say its not the experience of the mod, but the fact that is opens you up to new influences, very interesting, indeed.
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Post by SGCaper on Mar 19, 2008 20:53:33 GMT -5
Thats where interesting, shared creation. I had an experience that was somewhat unnerving about 6 years ago, unnerving in a way that was much more subtle. My first jump out of an airplane, I remember the smells, the greyness(we jumped in rain, foolhardy though we were), everything, but nothing seemed new, I was almost bored, but of course, the jump was incredible, well, the canopy opening and deploying was super sweet, but all of the ride up and such just seemed like "yet again" Which as a skeptic, I had a hard time explaining, that was only the 2nd time I had been on a plane, lol, at the time I use to joke about riding in planes, I've taken off twice, but only landed once, the body modification is very intriguing, you seem to say its not the experience of the mod, but the fact that is opens you up to new influences, very interesting, indeed. I would say that what you experienced was the memories of an energy within you. That energy was comfortable, familiar, maybe bored (to use your word) but nonetheless was providing you with its memory. The experience of the mod is very important. A simple haircut can allow one to tap into energy, however, partaking in a significant, prepared ritual will allow energy to "flood" your being. It is then up to you to tap into that energy and accept and/or exchange it with the rest of the biosphere. Again, any mod opens you to energy however, the more prepared you are mentally and physically the more you can access.
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Post by Narceron on Mar 20, 2008 7:31:40 GMT -5
That is wild,
Hmm, and a bit familiar, I had a grandfather that belonged to a, umm, club when he was younger and they had ritual scarring during initiation, nothing major, but something fairly obvious if you looked for it. They always said it was to welcome one another among strangers.
So its probably an older concept than I was thinking.
Of course, the Q dogs at my college have scarring during initiation, but its only for "brotherhood" which I think is more about the actual bonding before and after.
Scars frighten me as much as tattoos, if anything, they are more permanant.
Which brings my next point, how do you know which mods? Is it an aesthetic? What if you get bad experiences, I mean, you are kind of stuck with them.
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Post by SGCaper on Mar 20, 2008 15:25:32 GMT -5
First body modification is the oldest religious practice in the world. The oldest human remains show modification: tattoo and piercing. And up until the 1600-1700s body modification was a part of every major religion. Tattoo being the most prominent form, but also self mutilation, etc. It wasn't until Europeans began associating bod mod with barbarians did the practices cease.
So yes indeed bod mod for religion is very old indeed. My sect is very modern in thought and philosophy but is based on these much older concepts.
As far as my mods go. I carefully plan for each. I also only go to those who are: followers of Modified Enlightenment, Modern Primitivism, or are sensitive to its beliefs. I don't just go to anyone. I also do many of my piercing myself, which allows me to do slow ritual piercing that I can't get anywhere else. This helps to ensure a good experience. My mods are never esthetic but based on what feels right at the time. I can't explain that feeling any better than to say, I just know. I have only one tattoo that I do not like (long story). I have my ritual knot scar and other symbolic scars that hold deep meaning to me and can bring me great joy or shame depending on how the energy flows through me. Then I have surgery scars which are just cool cause face, chicks dig scars. But I digress.
Mods are what you make of them. When I speak with people they always want to jump into extreme stuff because that will make them more religious but I always tell tehm if you were Catholic praying more wouldn't make you more religious then someone who prayed only once a year. It only makes you more controlled by the religion rather than you finding your own path.
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Post by blaster_e11 on Mar 26, 2008 7:51:30 GMT -5
wow
i didn't know of bod mod cults, that's impressive, not a big fan of tats and scarification though
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Post by SGCaper on Apr 26, 2008 22:21:49 GMT -5
It's not a cult, that word, at least here, implies a very sinister drink the kool-aid vibe.
Modern Primitivism and Modified Enlightenment are small growing religions whose roots are in ALL religions.
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Post by NFC on Apr 27, 2008 0:32:00 GMT -5
Sean, you have ties to the Sith, don't you?
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Post by SGCaper on Apr 27, 2008 9:50:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't you like to know.
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Post by NFC on Apr 27, 2008 9:53:14 GMT -5
Wouldn't you like to know. ah-ha!
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Post by Narceron on May 6, 2008 13:55:15 GMT -5
powerful this one will become . . .
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Post by SGCaper on May 9, 2008 17:09:43 GMT -5
Kudos for doing suspension it's not something many will do. When done properly they can be very very religious and moving. Their origins belong to religion (Native American and others) as they were used as purification rites or to open the minds eye to the other side and such.
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Post by NFC on May 9, 2008 18:02:34 GMT -5
uh-oh, there 2 fish hook guys on here now.
LOL
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Post by NFC on May 9, 2008 19:53:10 GMT -5
uh-oh, there 2 fish hook guys on here now. LOL LOL actually the chest hooks were more like meat hooks, and the back hooks like large fish hooks. oh what the fuck. that's icky.
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